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		By: Innovation Pending &#8211; Mike Linksvayer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Innovation Pending &#8211; Mike Linksvayer]]></dc:creator>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-623</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-622&quot;&gt;dbhalling&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m grateful for the spirited discussion on this point, but I&#039;m still figuring out how to set the right tone for comments on the site. I&#039;d like to declare this line of discussion closed, and I don&#039;t plan to approve any further comments on the property v. monopoly topic. It&#039;s a great topic and I think it warrants its own treatment in a better forum.  Thanks, Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-622">dbhalling</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m grateful for the spirited discussion on this point, but I&#8217;m still figuring out how to set the right tone for comments on the site. I&#8217;d like to declare this line of discussion closed, and I don&#8217;t plan to approve any further comments on the property v. monopoly topic. It&#8217;s a great topic and I think it warrants its own treatment in a better forum.  Thanks, Eric.</p>
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		By: dbhalling		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-622</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbhalling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-621&quot;&gt;antifud&lt;/a&gt;.

Property rights are a legal relationship between you and something.  There is no problem with property right in inventions, songs, paintings.  You obtain property rights because you created something.  It is the law recognizing the metaphysical fact that but for the creator, the thing would not exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-621">antifud</a>.</p>
<p>Property rights are a legal relationship between you and something.  There is no problem with property right in inventions, songs, paintings.  You obtain property rights because you created something.  It is the law recognizing the metaphysical fact that but for the creator, the thing would not exist.</p>
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		By: antifud		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-621</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antifud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-620&quot;&gt;dbhalling&lt;/a&gt;.

if they are a property, then you have additional conflicts - intangible things by definition are not compatibility with property rights  - they are explicitly opposite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-620">dbhalling</a>.</p>
<p>if they are a property, then you have additional conflicts &#8211; intangible things by definition are not compatibility with property rights  &#8211; they are explicitly opposite.</p>
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		By: dbhalling		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-620</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbhalling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-619&quot;&gt;antifud&lt;/a&gt;.

A property right is not a monopoly, except in Alice in Wonderland.  The idea that patents are monopolies fails, definitionally, logically, and empirically.  For more information see 

Patents: Monopoly or Property Right a Testable Hypothesis http://hallingblog.com/patents-monopoly-or-property-right-a-testable-hypothesis/

                If
patents are a monopoly, as some suggest, then it should led to certain
outcomes.  A close examination shows that
none of the supposed monopoly effects result from granting patents.  

 

Monopoly/Rent Seeking vs. Property Rights/Intellectual
Property http://hallingblog.com/monopolyrent-seeking-vs-property-rightsintellectual-property/.

                This
post explains the characteristics of a monopoly and a property right and poses
three questions to show the difference. 
Patents fit all the characteristics of a property right and none of a
monopoly.  Note that professional
license, such as a law license has some of the characteristics of a
monopoly.  

 

More on the Myth that Patents are Monopolies http://hallingblog.com/more-on-the-myth-that-patents-are-monopolies/.

                This
post contains a number of quotes from philosophers explaining that patents are
not monopolies.

 

Property Rights, Possession and Objects http://hallingblog.com/property-rights-possession-and-objects/

                This
post explains the difference in the concepts of property rights, possession,
and objects.  Most economists and patent
detractors confuse these concepts.  The
origin, definition, and legal basis of property right are explained.

 

The Myth That Patents are a Monopoly http://hallingblog.com/the-myth-that-patents-are-a-monopoly/

                This
post compares the definition of a monopoly to the rights obtained with a
patent.  It shows that the rights
obtained with a patent do not confer a monopoly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-619">antifud</a>.</p>
<p>A property right is not a monopoly, except in Alice in Wonderland.  The idea that patents are monopolies fails, definitionally, logically, and empirically.  For more information see </p>
<p>Patents: Monopoly or Property Right a Testable Hypothesis <a href="http://hallingblog.com/patents-monopoly-or-property-right-a-testable-hypothesis/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hallingblog.com/patents-monopoly-or-property-right-a-testable-hypothesis/</a></p>
<p>                If<br />
patents are a monopoly, as some suggest, then it should led to certain<br />
outcomes.  A close examination shows that<br />
none of the supposed monopoly effects result from granting patents.  </p>
<p>Monopoly/Rent Seeking vs. Property Rights/Intellectual<br />
Property <a href="http://hallingblog.com/monopolyrent-seeking-vs-property-rightsintellectual-property/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hallingblog.com/monopolyrent-seeking-vs-property-rightsintellectual-property/</a>.</p>
<p>                This<br />
post explains the characteristics of a monopoly and a property right and poses<br />
three questions to show the difference.<br />
Patents fit all the characteristics of a property right and none of a<br />
monopoly.  Note that professional<br />
license, such as a law license has some of the characteristics of a<br />
monopoly.  </p>
<p>More on the Myth that Patents are Monopolies <a href="http://hallingblog.com/more-on-the-myth-that-patents-are-monopolies/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hallingblog.com/more-on-the-myth-that-patents-are-monopolies/</a>.</p>
<p>                This<br />
post contains a number of quotes from philosophers explaining that patents are<br />
not monopolies.</p>
<p>Property Rights, Possession and Objects <a href="http://hallingblog.com/property-rights-possession-and-objects/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hallingblog.com/property-rights-possession-and-objects/</a></p>
<p>                This<br />
post explains the difference in the concepts of property rights, possession,<br />
and objects.  Most economists and patent<br />
detractors confuse these concepts.  The<br />
origin, definition, and legal basis of property right are explained.</p>
<p>The Myth That Patents are a Monopoly <a href="http://hallingblog.com/the-myth-that-patents-are-a-monopoly/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://hallingblog.com/the-myth-that-patents-are-a-monopoly/</a></p>
<p>                This<br />
post compares the definition of a monopoly to the rights obtained with a<br />
patent.  It shows that the rights<br />
obtained with a patent do not confer a monopoly.</p>
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		By: antifud		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-619</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[antifud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-618&quot;&gt;dbhalling&lt;/a&gt;.

while patents are a property right, they do technically provide a monopoly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-618">dbhalling</a>.</p>
<p>while patents are a property right, they do technically provide a monopoly.</p>
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		By: dbhalling		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2013/11/does-the-u-s-patent-system-stifle-innovation-notes.htm#comment-618</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbhalling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First of all you don&#039;t know the difference between a monopoly and a property right.  Patents are property rights they are not monopolies.  Second of all there is absolutely no macroeconomic empirical evidence that a patent system has every reduced the number or quality of new technologies being developed.  However, there is an avalanche of evidence that patent systems, even flawed ones like the present US system, increase the number of inventions.  Those countries with the strongest patent systems are the leaders in creating new technologies and also have the greatest dissemination of new technologies.  See the US, Northern Europe, Japan, Canada etc.  Those with the weakest or nonexistent patent system do not create new technologies and have very little technology dissemination.  See North Korea, most of the middle east, and most of Africa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all you don&#8217;t know the difference between a monopoly and a property right.  Patents are property rights they are not monopolies.  Second of all there is absolutely no macroeconomic empirical evidence that a patent system has every reduced the number or quality of new technologies being developed.  However, there is an avalanche of evidence that patent systems, even flawed ones like the present US system, increase the number of inventions.  Those countries with the strongest patent systems are the leaders in creating new technologies and also have the greatest dissemination of new technologies.  See the US, Northern Europe, Japan, Canada etc.  Those with the weakest or nonexistent patent system do not create new technologies and have very little technology dissemination.  See North Korea, most of the middle east, and most of Africa.</p>
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