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	Comments on: Louisiana&#8217;s Anti-Vegan Law Constitutionally Enjoined&#8211;Tofurky v. Strain	</title>
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		By: Andrew Deutsch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Deutsch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good write up, Eric. There&#039;s another angle besides anti-vegan tendencies: food allergies. I&#039;m not a vegan, but I do have a child with food allergies and he (and I) have had soy milk and sun butter (sunflower seeds instead of peanuts) for years now. My other child, who does not have allergies, prefers soy milk to dairy milk. 
I still encounter people who are not familiar with those products because it&#039;s not something they consume. I&#039;m fine with that--it&#039;s their choice. But to think that those same people would somehow &quot;mistakenly&quot; buy soy milk instead of dairy milk, etc., is laughable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good write up, Eric. There&#8217;s another angle besides anti-vegan tendencies: food allergies. I&#8217;m not a vegan, but I do have a child with food allergies and he (and I) have had soy milk and sun butter (sunflower seeds instead of peanuts) for years now. My other child, who does not have allergies, prefers soy milk to dairy milk.<br />
I still encounter people who are not familiar with those products because it&#8217;s not something they consume. I&#8217;m fine with that&#8211;it&#8217;s their choice. But to think that those same people would somehow &#8220;mistakenly&#8221; buy soy milk instead of dairy milk, etc., is laughable.</p>
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		By: Björn Bohannsen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Björn Bohannsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2022 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2022/04/louisianas-anti-vegan-law-constitutionally-enjoined-tofurky-v-strain.htm#comment-3226&quot;&gt;Eric Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve not in real life encountered regulators applying a reasonable consumer standard.  Certainly, the standard has varied over time, but the core principle remains that consumer protection laws must protect reasonable as well as unreasonable consumers.  

From the Second Circuit:  &quot;That law [the FTC Act] was not ‘made for the protection of experts, but for the public— that vast multitude which includes the ignorant, the unthinking and the credulous; and the ‘fact that a false statement may be obviously false to those who are trained and experienced does not change its character, nor take away its power to deceive others less experienced.&#039;&quot;  And the Ninth Circuit:  “…courts have, ever since the enactment of the Federal Trade Commission Act, sustained orders which sought to limit the use of language which, although seemingly innocuous to the expert was likely to deceive the unlearned and gullible.”  Perhaps there hasn&#039;t been survey evidence supporting whether actual deception has occurred, but it&#039;s hard to survey the ignorant and unthinking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2022/04/louisianas-anti-vegan-law-constitutionally-enjoined-tofurky-v-strain.htm#comment-3226">Eric Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not in real life encountered regulators applying a reasonable consumer standard.  Certainly, the standard has varied over time, but the core principle remains that consumer protection laws must protect reasonable as well as unreasonable consumers.  </p>
<p>From the Second Circuit:  &#8220;That law [the FTC Act] was not ‘made for the protection of experts, but for the public— that vast multitude which includes the ignorant, the unthinking and the credulous; and the ‘fact that a false statement may be obviously false to those who are trained and experienced does not change its character, nor take away its power to deceive others less experienced.'&#8221;  And the Ninth Circuit:  “…courts have, ever since the enactment of the Federal Trade Commission Act, sustained orders which sought to limit the use of language which, although seemingly innocuous to the expert was likely to deceive the unlearned and gullible.”  Perhaps there hasn&#8217;t been survey evidence supporting whether actual deception has occurred, but it&#8217;s hard to survey the ignorant and unthinking.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2022 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2022/04/louisianas-anti-vegan-law-constitutionally-enjoined-tofurky-v-strain.htm#comment-3225&quot;&gt;Björn Bohannsen&lt;/a&gt;.

Consumer protection law protects the &quot;reasonable&quot; consumer. The empirical evidence suggests that reasonable consumers understand that &quot;plant-based meat&quot; or &quot;soy meat&quot; or similar terms are not actually derived from animals. Indeed, there is no evidence at all of any consumers being &quot;misled.&quot; This underscores the depravity of this policy intervention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2022/04/louisianas-anti-vegan-law-constitutionally-enjoined-tofurky-v-strain.htm#comment-3225">Björn Bohannsen</a>.</p>
<p>Consumer protection law protects the &#8220;reasonable&#8221; consumer. The empirical evidence suggests that reasonable consumers understand that &#8220;plant-based meat&#8221; or &#8220;soy meat&#8221; or similar terms are not actually derived from animals. Indeed, there is no evidence at all of any consumers being &#8220;misled.&#8221; This underscores the depravity of this policy intervention.</p>
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		By: Björn Bohannsen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Björn Bohannsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2022 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the guiding principle of American regulatory practice to assume that consumers are credulous and easily misled?  Viewed through that lens, it seems like using words associated with flesh on products containing no flesh has a significant capacity to mislead.   Some other categories may go too far (the cauliflower rice example, for one), but calling something ham when it contains no meat seems to me to be labeling that has a considerable likelihood of misleading folks other than the privileged.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the guiding principle of American regulatory practice to assume that consumers are credulous and easily misled?  Viewed through that lens, it seems like using words associated with flesh on products containing no flesh has a significant capacity to mislead.   Some other categories may go too far (the cauliflower rice example, for one), but calling something ham when it contains no meat seems to me to be labeling that has a considerable likelihood of misleading folks other than the privileged.</p>
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