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	Comments on: High School Can&#8217;t Expel Student for Sharing Memes in Private Snapchat Conversation&#8211;JS v. Manheim Township School District	</title>
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		By: big_dman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2020/05/high-school-cant-expel-student-for-sharing-memes-in-private-snapchat-conversation-js-v-manheim-township-school-district.htm#comment-2584</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2020 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2020/05/high-school-cant-expel-student-for-sharing-memes-in-private-snapchat-conversation-js-v-manheim-township-school-district.htm#comment-2583&quot;&gt;Eric Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

You understand that the police were looking for a crime that had been committed.  This is very different from the standard applied by a school administrator in his responsibility to keep his charges safe from anticipated threats.  A student who is ready, willing, and able to carry out a school shooting, but has taken no overt steps to carry it out has committed no crime.  However, it would certainly be prudent to remove that student from the school.  

The behavior described here is what many school administrators would identify as &quot;warning signs.&quot;  Now, if you took a position that individuals in positions of responsibility should not act on mere warning signs, but should only act once there&#039;s been an overt act and due process, that would at least be consistent.  That would be a very libertarian, pro-personal-responsibility position to take.  But I know from years of reading your blog, and indeed from the digressions in this post, that it isn&#039;t your position.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2020/05/high-school-cant-expel-student-for-sharing-memes-in-private-snapchat-conversation-js-v-manheim-township-school-district.htm#comment-2583">Eric Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>You understand that the police were looking for a crime that had been committed.  This is very different from the standard applied by a school administrator in his responsibility to keep his charges safe from anticipated threats.  A student who is ready, willing, and able to carry out a school shooting, but has taken no overt steps to carry it out has committed no crime.  However, it would certainly be prudent to remove that student from the school.  </p>
<p>The behavior described here is what many school administrators would identify as &#8220;warning signs.&#8221;  Now, if you took a position that individuals in positions of responsibility should not act on mere warning signs, but should only act once there&#8217;s been an overt act and due process, that would at least be consistent.  That would be a very libertarian, pro-personal-responsibility position to take.  But I know from years of reading your blog, and indeed from the digressions in this post, that it isn&#8217;t your position.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2020 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2020/05/high-school-cant-expel-student-for-sharing-memes-in-private-snapchat-conversation-js-v-manheim-township-school-district.htm#comment-2582&quot;&gt;big_dman&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe it would be helpful if you read my blog post again, or perhaps read the underlying case. The three JS cases are three different plaintiffs over the past dozen years, not the same student 3x. Also, as the post indicates, the police investigated this matter and concluded there was never any threats, so the school could have relied on that investigation, recognized that no lives were actually at stake, and handled the situation as a pedagogical opportunity rather than a disciplinary one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2020/05/high-school-cant-expel-student-for-sharing-memes-in-private-snapchat-conversation-js-v-manheim-township-school-district.htm#comment-2582">big_dman</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe it would be helpful if you read my blog post again, or perhaps read the underlying case. The three JS cases are three different plaintiffs over the past dozen years, not the same student 3x. Also, as the post indicates, the police investigated this matter and concluded there was never any threats, so the school could have relied on that investigation, recognized that no lives were actually at stake, and handled the situation as a pedagogical opportunity rather than a disciplinary one.</p>
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		By: big_dman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2020/05/high-school-cant-expel-student-for-sharing-memes-in-private-snapchat-conversation-js-v-manheim-township-school-district.htm#comment-2582</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2020 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I know we&#039;re all on heightened alert in our country, especially given . . . the government&#039;s complete inability to protect schools from mass shootings, and the largely unchecked normalization of domestic terrorism. . . .  [But] by now, we ought to be able to distinguish between teens doing stupid teen things online and real/serious threats.&quot;

And yet you gloat when a school district gets batted down for taking threats seriously.  I invite you to spend some time reviewing the garbage school administrators and online providers must sift through daily in order to discern &quot;real/serious threats&quot; and &quot;stupid teen things.&quot;  It&#039;s not so easy when your ass and others&#039; lives are on the line if you choose poorly.

And it&#039;s not a coincidence that &quot;JS&quot; has been the subject of discipline by three different school districts for his online behavior.  But I&#039;m sure when he actually carries out one of his threats, you&#039;ll somehow blame the school board and President Trump (wtf?) for that too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know we&#8217;re all on heightened alert in our country, especially given . . . the government&#8217;s complete inability to protect schools from mass shootings, and the largely unchecked normalization of domestic terrorism. . . .  [But] by now, we ought to be able to distinguish between teens doing stupid teen things online and real/serious threats.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet you gloat when a school district gets batted down for taking threats seriously.  I invite you to spend some time reviewing the garbage school administrators and online providers must sift through daily in order to discern &#8220;real/serious threats&#8221; and &#8220;stupid teen things.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not so easy when your ass and others&#8217; lives are on the line if you choose poorly.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not a coincidence that &#8220;JS&#8221; has been the subject of discipline by three different school districts for his online behavior.  But I&#8217;m sure when he actually carries out one of his threats, you&#8217;ll somehow blame the school board and President Trump (wtf?) for that too.</p>
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