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		By: Top Internet Law Developments of 2019 - News Machine		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Doomed: Internet Access Providers. Section 512(a) does not always protect IAPs from liability for user-caused copyright infringement, so IAPs are having a rough go in court…such as the $1B jury verdict against Cox in the Sony case. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Doomed: Internet Access Providers. Section 512(a) does not always protect IAPs from liability for user-caused copyright infringement, so IAPs are having a rough go in court…such as the $1B jury verdict against Cox in the Sony case. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Top Internet Law Developments of 2019 - Technology &#38; Marketing Law Blog		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Doomed: Internet Access Providers. Section 512(a) does not always protect IAPs from liability for user-caused copyright infringement, so IAPs are having a rough go in court&#8230;such as the $1B jury verdict against Cox in the Sony case. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Doomed: Internet Access Providers. Section 512(a) does not always protect IAPs from liability for user-caused copyright infringement, so IAPs are having a rough go in court&#8230;such as the $1B jury verdict against Cox in the Sony case. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: News of the Week; January 1, 2020 &#8211; Communications Law at Allard Hall		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Michael Risch		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2019 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2019/12/internet-access-provider-gets-another-devastating-result-in-a-secondary-copyright-infringement-case-sony-v-cox.htm#comment-2466&quot;&gt;Eric Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

I understand that, and that&#039;s what I meant. My point was that Cox presumably could have challenged whether those notice claims were accurate at all, and they could had had a policy that allowed more claims before termination and justified that as reasonable, etc., but that they didn&#039;t actually do much of anything at all, and that was a problem.


Don&#039;t get me wrong - figuring out whether all this claimed infringement is real and then dealing with it has got to be expensive, but that&#039;s a (perhaps unwise) policy choice made by Congress a long time ago. In a system that specifically provides for a way to send notices for claimed infringment, it&#039;s unclear how an ISP can say that such notices have no meaning at all in a repeat infringer policy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2019/12/internet-access-provider-gets-another-devastating-result-in-a-secondary-copyright-infringement-case-sony-v-cox.htm#comment-2466">Eric Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>I understand that, and that&#8217;s what I meant. My point was that Cox presumably could have challenged whether those notice claims were accurate at all, and they could had had a policy that allowed more claims before termination and justified that as reasonable, etc., but that they didn&#8217;t actually do much of anything at all, and that was a problem.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; figuring out whether all this claimed infringement is real and then dealing with it has got to be expensive, but that&#8217;s a (perhaps unwise) policy choice made by Congress a long time ago. In a system that specifically provides for a way to send notices for claimed infringment, it&#8217;s unclear how an ISP can say that such notices have no meaning at all in a repeat infringer policy.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2019/12/internet-access-provider-gets-another-devastating-result-in-a-secondary-copyright-infringement-case-sony-v-cox.htm#comment-2465&quot;&gt;Michael Risch&lt;/a&gt;.

Just to be clear, the subscribers were not &quot;3x infringers.&quot; They had received 3+ notices of *claimed* infringement, which may or may not have been accurate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2019/12/internet-access-provider-gets-another-devastating-result-in-a-secondary-copyright-infringement-case-sony-v-cox.htm#comment-2465">Michael Risch</a>.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, the subscribers were not &#8220;3x infringers.&#8221; They had received 3+ notices of *claimed* infringement, which may or may not have been accurate.</p>
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		By: Michael Risch		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, termination for infringement may be too much (and the statutory damages are too high, too), but isn&#039;t that a question that Congress did/must deal with? 512(i)(1)(A) says that ISPs must adopt and follow a policy &quot;that provides for the termination in appropriate circumstances of subscribers&quot; who are repeat infringers. Here, the plaintiff focused only on those users who were 3x infringers, and so the only defense was to say that termination was not appropriate in those circumstances (true, the notices are unsworn, but did Cox challenge the evidence of repeat infringement?). But in the absence of any policy at all or failure to terminate folks in response to an existing policy despite that policy&#039;s terms, it&#039;s unclear what a court is supposed to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, termination for infringement may be too much (and the statutory damages are too high, too), but isn&#8217;t that a question that Congress did/must deal with? 512(i)(1)(A) says that ISPs must adopt and follow a policy &#8220;that provides for the termination in appropriate circumstances of subscribers&#8221; who are repeat infringers. Here, the plaintiff focused only on those users who were 3x infringers, and so the only defense was to say that termination was not appropriate in those circumstances (true, the notices are unsworn, but did Cox challenge the evidence of repeat infringement?). But in the absence of any policy at all or failure to terminate folks in response to an existing policy despite that policy&#8217;s terms, it&#8217;s unclear what a court is supposed to do.</p>
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