<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>
	Comments on: Senate&#8217;s &#8220;Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act of 2017&#8221;&#8211;and Section 230&#8217;s Imminent Evisceration	</title>
	<atom:link href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:35:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>
	hourly	</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>
	1	</sy:updateFrequency>
	
	<item>
		<title>
		By: Cris Sardina		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-2008</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cris Sardina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-2008</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Our Sex Worker Rights Joint Statement against US playing global cop regarding the www  The document is a working signature document and we will gladly accept your name and/or organization. Email me directly info@desireealliance.org and I will add your name. Add: signature for joint statement in the heading.  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nolvaK_PQEfrcnNlmj0J0s37RMtvHRGLQlrjKqwo3xk/edit]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Sex Worker Rights Joint Statement against US playing global cop regarding the www  The document is a working signature document and we will gladly accept your name and/or organization. Email me directly <a href="mailto:info@desireealliance.org">info@desireealliance.org</a> and I will add your name. Add: signature for joint statement in the heading.  <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nolvaK_PQEfrcnNlmj0J0s37RMtvHRGLQlrjKqwo3xk/edit" rel="nofollow ugc">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nolvaK_PQEfrcnNlmj0J0s37RMtvHRGLQlrjKqwo3xk/edit</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Steve Baker		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1934</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1934</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1933&quot;&gt;Eric Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not so sure...if it&#039;s made clear to him that this would kill Twitter - he might be willing to demand that this one particular clause be removed from an otherwise fairly reasonable bill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1933">Eric Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure&#8230;if it&#8217;s made clear to him that this would kill Twitter &#8211; he might be willing to demand that this one particular clause be removed from an otherwise fairly reasonable bill.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1933</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1933</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1932&quot;&gt;Steve Baker&lt;/a&gt;.

The odds that Pres. Trump would not sign this bill are near-zero. Plus, the bills likely will have enough support to override the veto.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1932">Steve Baker</a>.</p>
<p>The odds that Pres. Trump would not sign this bill are near-zero. Plus, the bills likely will have enough support to override the veto.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Steve Baker		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1932</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1932</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[This bill has to be signed by Pres.Trump to become law.  Seems likely that one of the first casualties of the law would be Twitter...which of course the president is firmly addicted to.   So it seems to me that the best way to attack this is to ensure that the folks at Twitter contact the White House personally and make it quite clear that if this law passes, they (and other services like theirs) will have to shut down immediately.   If what I&#039;m reading here is correct - then that would not be an exaggeration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bill has to be signed by Pres.Trump to become law.  Seems likely that one of the first casualties of the law would be Twitter&#8230;which of course the president is firmly addicted to.   So it seems to me that the best way to attack this is to ensure that the folks at Twitter contact the White House personally and make it quite clear that if this law passes, they (and other services like theirs) will have to shut down immediately.   If what I&#8217;m reading here is correct &#8211; then that would not be an exaggeration.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Captain Lallana		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1930</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captain Lallana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1930</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Sorry. CDA230 is not Congress&#039; greatest success tech story. It&#039;s a cheat story. It shields unscrupulous American companies from heinous crimes. It&#039;s a fetishization of free speech. It turns social media sites into hubs for religious extremists and crime syndicates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. CDA230 is not Congress&#8217; greatest success tech story. It&#8217;s a cheat story. It shields unscrupulous American companies from heinous crimes. It&#8217;s a fetishization of free speech. It turns social media sites into hubs for religious extremists and crime syndicates.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Cheryl Preston		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1914</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheryl Preston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2017 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1914</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1905&quot;&gt;Eric Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Jason,

Some critics of the sex trafficking amendments equate sex trafficking with prostitution. They take the position that trying to suppress prostitution, as well as alcohol abuse, minor drug offenses, and other “immoral” behavior, is hopeless. If users and suppliers cannot reach each other in conventional ways, they will find other methods because such vices will continue to exist. They typically cite the failures of Prohibition. We need not take a position on these issues.

Sex trafficking is not merely prostitution. The language of the proposed amendments to section 230 only excludes trafficking in children or “sex trafficking by force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion.’’ It may be true that efforts to restrict advertising about prostitution will just redirect efforts somewhere else (although I don’t know what “somewhere else” exists that is nearly as effective as the internet). Reconciling society to the persistence of the paid sex trade plied by consenting adults is entirely different from condoning rape. Existing law in every state clearly states that minors and persons subject to “force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion” cannot legally give consent to sexual contact and thus sex with such persons is rape. Sex trafficking is not just another vice society must learn to deal with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1905">Eric Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Jason,</p>
<p>Some critics of the sex trafficking amendments equate sex trafficking with prostitution. They take the position that trying to suppress prostitution, as well as alcohol abuse, minor drug offenses, and other “immoral” behavior, is hopeless. If users and suppliers cannot reach each other in conventional ways, they will find other methods because such vices will continue to exist. They typically cite the failures of Prohibition. We need not take a position on these issues.</p>
<p>Sex trafficking is not merely prostitution. The language of the proposed amendments to section 230 only excludes trafficking in children or “sex trafficking by force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion.’’ It may be true that efforts to restrict advertising about prostitution will just redirect efforts somewhere else (although I don’t know what “somewhere else” exists that is nearly as effective as the internet). Reconciling society to the persistence of the paid sex trade plied by consenting adults is entirely different from condoning rape. Existing law in every state clearly states that minors and persons subject to “force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion” cannot legally give consent to sexual contact and thus sex with such persons is rape. Sex trafficking is not just another vice society must learn to deal with.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Social media liberty roundup - Overlawyered		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1908</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Social media liberty roundup - Overlawyered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1908</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] is on the cusp of gutting Section 230. This is the threat we’ve always knew was coming&#8221; [Eric Goldman, R Street Institute/TechFreedom letter, Emma Llansó/CDT on SESTA, Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] is on the cusp of gutting Section 230. This is the threat we’ve always knew was coming&#8221; [Eric Goldman, R Street Institute/TechFreedom letter, Emma Llansó/CDT on SESTA, Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1905</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1905</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1902&quot;&gt;Jason Farnon&lt;/a&gt;.

Re #1: yes, this is a potential issue with every new crime that legislatures create. It&#039;s a reminder that legislatures should think two steps ahead--not just what behavior the crime regulates, but how that behavior will change in response to a new crime. In this case, we have some evidence of how online prostitution ads will respond to new regulation and the ripple effect impacts on victims. What have we learned from that evidence?

Re #2: the number of federal crimes is a small fraction of the number of state crimes. Plus, Congress enacts new federal crimes rarely, but states do it all the time; the DOJ is comparatively selective about its enforcement, while enforcement decisions at the state and local level are not necessarily as selective; and the bill would create a new civil cause of action that isn&#039;t preempted by Section 230, while state child porn civil causes of action are preempted by 230.

We&#039;re still figuring out the implications of the SAVE Act, but it targeted only online prostitution ads, while the new bills are not limited to ads.

Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1902">Jason Farnon</a>.</p>
<p>Re #1: yes, this is a potential issue with every new crime that legislatures create. It&#8217;s a reminder that legislatures should think two steps ahead&#8211;not just what behavior the crime regulates, but how that behavior will change in response to a new crime. In this case, we have some evidence of how online prostitution ads will respond to new regulation and the ripple effect impacts on victims. What have we learned from that evidence?</p>
<p>Re #2: the number of federal crimes is a small fraction of the number of state crimes. Plus, Congress enacts new federal crimes rarely, but states do it all the time; the DOJ is comparatively selective about its enforcement, while enforcement decisions at the state and local level are not necessarily as selective; and the bill would create a new civil cause of action that isn&#8217;t preempted by Section 230, while state child porn civil causes of action are preempted by 230.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re still figuring out the implications of the SAVE Act, but it targeted only online prostitution ads, while the new bills are not limited to ads.</p>
<p>Eric.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Internet Censorship Bill Would Spell Disaster for Speech and Innovation &#124; Electronic Frontier Foundation		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Internet Censorship Bill Would Spell Disaster for Speech and Innovation &#124; Electronic Frontier Foundation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1903</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] could argue that they’re exempt from Section 230 protections. As Eric Goldman points out in his excellent analysis of SESTA, Congress should demand an inventory of existing state laws that would fall into this new loophole [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] could argue that they’re exempt from Section 230 protections. As Eric Goldman points out in his excellent analysis of SESTA, Congress should demand an inventory of existing state laws that would fall into this new loophole [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Jason Farnon		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/07/senates-stop-enabling-sex-traffickers-act-of-2017-and-section-230s-imminent-evisceration.htm#comment-1902</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Farnon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 05:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog.ericgoldman.org/?p=17515#comment-1902</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[1. &quot;Maybe it’s so intuitive (shut down Backpage, victims are better) that members of Congress don’t expect to see any proof, but this is hardly intuitive to me. We’ve seen over and over again that anti-prostitution regulations redirect the demand for prostitution elsewhere.&quot;
Isn&#039;t this parallel: &quot;If we put away criminals, crime will just show up somewhere else, we&#039;ve seen that time and time again. Ergo, no policing.&quot; I suppose you want to say certain vices are like alcohol, and policing them is as fruitless as prohibition was?

2. Eric, I understand your concern that liability for sex trafficking could force every service provider to adopt all sorts of user regulations and screening policies, but then why hasn&#039;t that already happened with the current anti-backpage law? or the 230 exception for federal crimes?  when the current anti-backpage law was passed I didn&#039;t see youtube or facebook changing much in order to ensure no user submitted something that would trigger the law. Backpage itself didn&#039;t change much, I hear. Is it the number of new similar laws, once you open up liability to state laws, that is bothering you?

3. &quot;Furthermore, this Congress has already proven that it will advance terrible policy ideas&quot;
Actually I suspect the only way the current robust CDA immunity could have survived so long is with massive lobbying by silicon valley. Touch stances on sex trafficking are useful for politicians and campaigning DAs. Perhaps this proposed legislation is the price of the less cozy relationship between silicon valley and the current administration, compared to the previous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. &#8220;Maybe it’s so intuitive (shut down Backpage, victims are better) that members of Congress don’t expect to see any proof, but this is hardly intuitive to me. We’ve seen over and over again that anti-prostitution regulations redirect the demand for prostitution elsewhere.&#8221;<br />
Isn&#8217;t this parallel: &#8220;If we put away criminals, crime will just show up somewhere else, we&#8217;ve seen that time and time again. Ergo, no policing.&#8221; I suppose you want to say certain vices are like alcohol, and policing them is as fruitless as prohibition was?</p>
<p>2. Eric, I understand your concern that liability for sex trafficking could force every service provider to adopt all sorts of user regulations and screening policies, but then why hasn&#8217;t that already happened with the current anti-backpage law? or the 230 exception for federal crimes?  when the current anti-backpage law was passed I didn&#8217;t see youtube or facebook changing much in order to ensure no user submitted something that would trigger the law. Backpage itself didn&#8217;t change much, I hear. Is it the number of new similar laws, once you open up liability to state laws, that is bothering you?</p>
<p>3. &#8220;Furthermore, this Congress has already proven that it will advance terrible policy ideas&#8221;<br />
Actually I suspect the only way the current robust CDA immunity could have survived so long is with massive lobbying by silicon valley. Touch stances on sex trafficking are useful for politicians and campaigning DAs. Perhaps this proposed legislation is the price of the less cozy relationship between silicon valley and the current administration, compared to the previous.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
