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		By: FIBER0PTIC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2017 10:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Page saved, Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page saved, Thank you.</p>
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		By: Marketa Trimble		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marketa Trimble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2016 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the topic of location requirements for enforcement purposes see also, for example, Christopher Millard, &quot;Forced Localization of Cloud Services: Is Privacy the Real Driver,&quot; IEEE Cloud Computing, 2015, 10-14 (&quot;Direct access to companies, especially their assets (whether physical or financial) and their employees, might facilitate the enforcement of various laws, ranging from tax statutes to gambling regulations.&quot;).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of location requirements for enforcement purposes see also, for example, Christopher Millard, &#8220;Forced Localization of Cloud Services: Is Privacy the Real Driver,&#8221; IEEE Cloud Computing, 2015, 10-14 (&#8220;Direct access to companies, especially their assets (whether physical or financial) and their employees, might facilitate the enforcement of various laws, ranging from tax statutes to gambling regulations.&#8221;).</p>
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		By: John van Rijck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John van Rijck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2016 10:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I totally agree, thanks for the clarification!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree, thanks for the clarification!</p>
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		By: Marketa Trimble		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marketa Trimble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2016 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An excellent point. To keep the text to a reasonable blog post length I resorted to some significant simplifications, such as not distinguishing among server types.

The fact that the same content might be simultaneously located on servers in multiple jurisdictions shows that it often makes little sense to have jurisdiction based only on the location of servers. One could argue that this fact also leaves data location requirements with little if any meaning. However, it depends on why data location requirements are created. When the requirements stem from a country’s desire that data be stored and/or processed only within its jurisdiction, then the simultaneous use of servers in multiple jurisdictions defeats the purpose of the requirement. However, when the requirements arise from a country’s need to have some means of enforcement against a physically absent operator, it might be sufficient (or as good as it can get under the circumstances) for the country to have access to some servers, even if the data might also be on other servers outside the country.

The solution in Scenario 3 of (a) no jurisdiction based solely on the location of servers, and (b) no data location requirements seems to make the most sense from a technological perspective. But the solution can work only if countries can rely on mutual assistance for enforcement, with built-in safeguards for the protection of internationally-recognized fundamental rights and freedoms.

In the context of the Microsoft (Data Stored in Ireland) decision, several commentators pointed out the problem with jurisdiction based on server location when data are on multiple servers in different jurisdictions (for example, Orin Kerr at https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/29/the-surprising-implications-of-the-microsoftireland-warrant-case/?utm_term=.eb7004721475; I pointed it out at https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/08/second-circuits-decision-in-microsoft-v-u-s-data-stored-in-ireland-good-news-for-internet-users-guest-blog-post.htm).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent point. To keep the text to a reasonable blog post length I resorted to some significant simplifications, such as not distinguishing among server types.</p>
<p>The fact that the same content might be simultaneously located on servers in multiple jurisdictions shows that it often makes little sense to have jurisdiction based only on the location of servers. One could argue that this fact also leaves data location requirements with little if any meaning. However, it depends on why data location requirements are created. When the requirements stem from a country’s desire that data be stored and/or processed only within its jurisdiction, then the simultaneous use of servers in multiple jurisdictions defeats the purpose of the requirement. However, when the requirements arise from a country’s need to have some means of enforcement against a physically absent operator, it might be sufficient (or as good as it can get under the circumstances) for the country to have access to some servers, even if the data might also be on other servers outside the country.</p>
<p>The solution in Scenario 3 of (a) no jurisdiction based solely on the location of servers, and (b) no data location requirements seems to make the most sense from a technological perspective. But the solution can work only if countries can rely on mutual assistance for enforcement, with built-in safeguards for the protection of internationally-recognized fundamental rights and freedoms.</p>
<p>In the context of the Microsoft (Data Stored in Ireland) decision, several commentators pointed out the problem with jurisdiction based on server location when data are on multiple servers in different jurisdictions (for example, Orin Kerr at <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/29/the-surprising-implications-of-the-microsoftireland-warrant-case/?utm_term=.eb7004721475" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/29/the-surprising-implications-of-the-microsoftireland-warrant-case/?utm_term=.eb7004721475</a>; I pointed it out at <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/08/second-circuits-decision-in-microsoft-v-u-s-data-stored-in-ireland-good-news-for-internet-users-guest-blog-post.htm" rel="ugc">https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/08/second-circuits-decision-in-microsoft-v-u-s-data-stored-in-ireland-good-news-for-internet-users-guest-blog-post.htm</a>).</p>
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		By: John van Rijck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John van Rijck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2016 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting discussion. Did you distinguish server types?Or was the discussion focussed on servers in general. I would imagine that taking into account CDN-servers that are placed all over the world could result in a different conclusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussion. Did you distinguish server types?Or was the discussion focussed on servers in general. I would imagine that taking into account CDN-servers that are placed all over the world could result in a different conclusion.</p>
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