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		By: Charles Glasser		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Glasser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2016 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice, but a couple fatal flaws, most notably:

1) &quot;Every news organization makes mistakes.&quot; Yes, the point of the First Amendment is to grant leeway to erroneous statements. (After all, truth was a defense even in Shakespeare&#039;s time). But the trial court saw and the public knows this was not an &quot;innocent mistake&quot;: Gawker has intentionally violated privacy many times and it is part of their business model. By way of example, outing the Conde Nast executive, and airing video of a woman being raped and when she pleaded with them not to air it, they told the rape victim &quot;don&#039;t make such a big deal out of it.&quot;

2) Trials are held on their merits. Whether there was error in excluding evidence, etc. was an error that will be sorted out on appeal. But having studied this law quite extensively and having litigated many of these cases, there is absolutely NO entry point for the jury to hear about the motivation of anyone&#039;s backer. The fact that a plaintiff&#039;s sponsor had animus toward the defendant is simply NOT relevant or a defense to the elements of the tort. I also find Felix&#039; argument silly: millionaires have been threatening libel suits for decades. I defended a case brought by Khodorkovsky in the UK, and frequently fought off Trump, Michael Milken, Adelson, Frank Quattrone and many other well-heeled heels. I do agree that SLAPP laws are the best solution, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, but a couple fatal flaws, most notably:</p>
<p>1) &#8220;Every news organization makes mistakes.&#8221; Yes, the point of the First Amendment is to grant leeway to erroneous statements. (After all, truth was a defense even in Shakespeare&#8217;s time). But the trial court saw and the public knows this was not an &#8220;innocent mistake&#8221;: Gawker has intentionally violated privacy many times and it is part of their business model. By way of example, outing the Conde Nast executive, and airing video of a woman being raped and when she pleaded with them not to air it, they told the rape victim &#8220;don&#8217;t make such a big deal out of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>2) Trials are held on their merits. Whether there was error in excluding evidence, etc. was an error that will be sorted out on appeal. But having studied this law quite extensively and having litigated many of these cases, there is absolutely NO entry point for the jury to hear about the motivation of anyone&#8217;s backer. The fact that a plaintiff&#8217;s sponsor had animus toward the defendant is simply NOT relevant or a defense to the elements of the tort. I also find Felix&#8217; argument silly: millionaires have been threatening libel suits for decades. I defended a case brought by Khodorkovsky in the UK, and frequently fought off Trump, Michael Milken, Adelson, Frank Quattrone and many other well-heeled heels. I do agree that SLAPP laws are the best solution, though.</p>
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		By: Seth Leventhal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seth Leventhal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2016 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1546&quot;&gt;Eric Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair enough. I have gathered that anti-SLAPP has more teeth in CA than elsewhere. And, in fact, I brought a lawsuit against Viacom years ago for a meritorious plaintiff (a Minnesotan whose claim arose from an event n CA) and defendant threatened my client with an anti-SLAPP motion (that had no merit)...a downward spiral into anti-anti-SLAPP litigation?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1546">Eric Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>Fair enough. I have gathered that anti-SLAPP has more teeth in CA than elsewhere. And, in fact, I brought a lawsuit against Viacom years ago for a meritorious plaintiff (a Minnesotan whose claim arose from an event n CA) and defendant threatened my client with an anti-SLAPP motion (that had no merit)&#8230;a downward spiral into anti-anti-SLAPP litigation?</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2016 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1545&quot;&gt;Seth Leventhal&lt;/a&gt;.

Because they have been around for decades, we have a LOT of field data about how anti-SLAPP laws actually work, and I think they work extremely well for most purposes. Even if they don&#039;t deter billionaire abuse, they will still provide much-needed compensation for defendants. And at least in California, I would strongly disagree with the characterization that anti-SLAPP laws are applied &quot;rarely&quot; or &quot;unevenly.&quot; 

If you think about why Rule 11 fails, and then compare it to how judges deal with anti-SLAPP laws, you&#039;ll see how anti-SLAPP laws fix some of the structural problems with Rule 11. Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1545">Seth Leventhal</a>.</p>
<p>Because they have been around for decades, we have a LOT of field data about how anti-SLAPP laws actually work, and I think they work extremely well for most purposes. Even if they don&#8217;t deter billionaire abuse, they will still provide much-needed compensation for defendants. And at least in California, I would strongly disagree with the characterization that anti-SLAPP laws are applied &#8220;rarely&#8221; or &#8220;unevenly.&#8221; </p>
<p>If you think about why Rule 11 fails, and then compare it to how judges deal with anti-SLAPP laws, you&#8217;ll see how anti-SLAPP laws fix some of the structural problems with Rule 11. Eric.</p>
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		By: Seth Leventhal		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1545</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seth Leventhal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2016 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, I concur with the general sense I gather from the comments that view a federal anti-SLAPP statute with skepticism. In a sense, we already have a proxy for such a statute, Fed. R. Civ. P. 11, which does not seem to work very well. I think Mr. Goldman concedes that the law won&#039;t deter rich vindictive SLAPPers. So wouldn&#039;t we be left with a law that would miss the worst perps and would be applied rarely and unevenly on others?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I concur with the general sense I gather from the comments that view a federal anti-SLAPP statute with skepticism. In a sense, we already have a proxy for such a statute, Fed. R. Civ. P. 11, which does not seem to work very well. I think Mr. Goldman concedes that the law won&#8217;t deter rich vindictive SLAPPers. So wouldn&#8217;t we be left with a law that would miss the worst perps and would be applied rarely and unevenly on others?</p>
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		By: PaulAlanLevy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PaulAlanLevy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2016 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, I&#039;d like to agree with you, because what Thiel is reportedly doing makes me very uneasy, but I agree with the points that David and Fred have made in somewhat different terms.  It is hard to see any legitimate basis for putting the funding source before the jury, either in absolute terms or in terms of the inevitable sideshow that it would create.  And there was too much here for this case to be dismissed pursuant to an anti-SLAPP statute.

I was at a presentation by Gawker&#039;s counsel  to a media law group, and although we all were sympathetic as well as worried about the impact of the huge verdict (and the home-towning that Gawker faced), it was hard to see legal error.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I&#8217;d like to agree with you, because what Thiel is reportedly doing makes me very uneasy, but I agree with the points that David and Fred have made in somewhat different terms.  It is hard to see any legitimate basis for putting the funding source before the jury, either in absolute terms or in terms of the inevitable sideshow that it would create.  And there was too much here for this case to be dismissed pursuant to an anti-SLAPP statute.</p>
<p>I was at a presentation by Gawker&#8217;s counsel  to a media law group, and although we all were sympathetic as well as worried about the impact of the huge verdict (and the home-towning that Gawker faced), it was hard to see legal error.</p>
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		By: David S. Gingras		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David S. Gingras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a lawyer who has seen more than his share of cases like this, I think the bankroll provided by Thiel is interesting, but totally irrelevant.  Under the facts of this case, Gawker should have lost no matter how much, or little, financial help Thiel provided.  A first-year law student could have won this case easily.

The real story here is not liability, it&#039;s damages.  I would be shocked if Hulk suffered any actual economic loss, and although he may have been entitled to at least SOME money for his &quot;distress&quot;, the incredibly poor quality of the video (you simply can&#039;t see anything) and Hulk&#039;s track record of engaging in attention-seeking behavior should have made the damages award de minimus.

So, regardless of any other issues, I see this case as being important solely because a jury awarded $140 million to a guy who really wasn&#039;t that injured. This is overwhelming evidence of how deeply broken our jury system is.  That&#039;s the issue we should be talking about, not the strange-but-probably-meaningless difference that Thiel&#039;s money had.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a lawyer who has seen more than his share of cases like this, I think the bankroll provided by Thiel is interesting, but totally irrelevant.  Under the facts of this case, Gawker should have lost no matter how much, or little, financial help Thiel provided.  A first-year law student could have won this case easily.</p>
<p>The real story here is not liability, it&#8217;s damages.  I would be shocked if Hulk suffered any actual economic loss, and although he may have been entitled to at least SOME money for his &#8220;distress&#8221;, the incredibly poor quality of the video (you simply can&#8217;t see anything) and Hulk&#8217;s track record of engaging in attention-seeking behavior should have made the damages award de minimus.</p>
<p>So, regardless of any other issues, I see this case as being important solely because a jury awarded $140 million to a guy who really wasn&#8217;t that injured. This is overwhelming evidence of how deeply broken our jury system is.  That&#8217;s the issue we should be talking about, not the strange-but-probably-meaningless difference that Thiel&#8217;s money had.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1539&quot;&gt;Fred Von Lohmann&lt;/a&gt;.

This question is being debated on my Facebook post and I understand why it&#039;s a vexing question. I can make up some obvious differences--it&#039;s being done by an individual billionaire instead of an advocacy group; it&#039;s targeting a single company and not an industry; and it raises way more free speech issues than the tobacco/oil examples. However, I&#039;m still not sure how much those differences are meaningful. That&#039;s why solutions like anti-SLAPP laws could help here without affecting other types of activism litigation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1539">Fred Von Lohmann</a>.</p>
<p>This question is being debated on my Facebook post and I understand why it&#8217;s a vexing question. I can make up some obvious differences&#8211;it&#8217;s being done by an individual billionaire instead of an advocacy group; it&#8217;s targeting a single company and not an industry; and it raises way more free speech issues than the tobacco/oil examples. However, I&#8217;m still not sure how much those differences are meaningful. That&#8217;s why solutions like anti-SLAPP laws could help here without affecting other types of activism litigation.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1537&quot;&gt;AdamSteinbaugh&lt;/a&gt;.

I like the sentiment! I assume that fee-shifts are functionally irrelevant as deterrents to billionaire plaintiffs. It&#039;s true that a broke plaintiff with a wealthy benefactor could still stiff a defendant for fees. We run into the same risk with NPE litigation. Personally, I&#039;d love to see plaintiffs post a bond under certain circumstances (I mention that here https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2011/12/umg_v_shelter_c.htm). If we could get the bond requirement without slowing down a federal anti-SLAPP bill, I&#039;d love that! Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2016/05/some-thoughts-on-thiels-lawfare-against-gawker.htm#comment-1537">AdamSteinbaugh</a>.</p>
<p>I like the sentiment! I assume that fee-shifts are functionally irrelevant as deterrents to billionaire plaintiffs. It&#8217;s true that a broke plaintiff with a wealthy benefactor could still stiff a defendant for fees. We run into the same risk with NPE litigation. Personally, I&#8217;d love to see plaintiffs post a bond under certain circumstances (I mention that here <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2011/12/umg_v_shelter_c.htm" rel="ugc">https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2011/12/umg_v_shelter_c.htm</a>). If we could get the bond requirement without slowing down a federal anti-SLAPP bill, I&#8217;d love that! Eric.</p>
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		By: Fred Von Lohmann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Von Lohmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How do you distinguish Thiel&#039;s efforts from any impact litigation strategy, where third parties fund lawyers to litigate on behalf of those who otherwise could not afford entry to the civil justice system, with an eye toward changing the law and/or punishing a company the funders perceive to be acting outside the bounds of the law? In other words, how is this different from funding litigation against tobacco or oil companies?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you distinguish Thiel&#8217;s efforts from any impact litigation strategy, where third parties fund lawyers to litigate on behalf of those who otherwise could not afford entry to the civil justice system, with an eye toward changing the law and/or punishing a company the funders perceive to be acting outside the bounds of the law? In other words, how is this different from funding litigation against tobacco or oil companies?</p>
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		By: AdamSteinbaugh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AdamSteinbaugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2016 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One potential problem with the anti-SLAPP remedy: it wouldn&#039;t do much to deter those who fund lawsuits where anti-SLAPP motions are adjudicated in the defendant&#039;s favor, at least unless the agreement with the benefactor provides that the benefactor will also cover fee awards against the plaintiff.  It may be worthwhile to consider adding provisions to anti-SLAPP statutes such that victorious defendants can recover their fees from the benefactor, lest the plaintiff (or, if the plaintiff is broke, the defendant) winds up holding the bag.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One potential problem with the anti-SLAPP remedy: it wouldn&#8217;t do much to deter those who fund lawsuits where anti-SLAPP motions are adjudicated in the defendant&#8217;s favor, at least unless the agreement with the benefactor provides that the benefactor will also cover fee awards against the plaintiff.  It may be worthwhile to consider adding provisions to anti-SLAPP statutes such that victorious defendants can recover their fees from the benefactor, lest the plaintiff (or, if the plaintiff is broke, the defendant) winds up holding the bag.</p>
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