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	Comments on: Backpage Gets Bummer Section 230 Ruling in Washington Supreme Court&#8211;J.S. v. Village Voice	</title>
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		By: Grieving Parents (Still) Can&#8217;t Sue Topix For Son&#8217;s Oxy Overdose&#8211;Witkoff v. Topix (Forbes Cross-Post)		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1400</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2015 17:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] ruling implicitly diverges from the recent Washington Supreme Court ruling in J.S. v. Village Voice, which allowed plaintiffs to pursue Backpage for running ads for illegal online prostitution. That [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ruling implicitly diverges from the recent Washington Supreme Court ruling in J.S. v. Village Voice, which allowed plaintiffs to pursue Backpage for running ads for illegal online prostitution. That [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Another Tough Section 230 Ruling For Ripoff Report&#8211;Vision Security v. Xcentric		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2015 16:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] dependent on &#8220;neutrality&#8221; becomes a placeholder for other social norms. As we saw in the Washington Supreme Court Backpage ruling, when the battleground shifts to a website&#8217;s purported &#8220;neutrality,&#8221; the [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] dependent on &#8220;neutrality&#8221; becomes a placeholder for other social norms. As we saw in the Washington Supreme Court Backpage ruling, when the battleground shifts to a website&#8217;s purported &#8220;neutrality,&#8221; the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: PaulAlanLevy		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1388</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1387&quot;&gt;Eric Goldman&lt;/a&gt;.

I certainly share your concern about the dangers in jurisdictions that follow the standard of pleading that the FR Civ P embodied pre-Iqbal.  And  I agree it is too conclusory under Iqbal / Twombly.  What we can hope, in Washington at least, that the case is confined to the child sexual exploitation context, much as Bush v. Gore has been treated as a ticket good for this train only.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1387">Eric Goldman</a>.</p>
<p>I certainly share your concern about the dangers in jurisdictions that follow the standard of pleading that the FR Civ P embodied pre-Iqbal.  And  I agree it is too conclusory under Iqbal / Twombly.  What we can hope, in Washington at least, that the case is confined to the child sexual exploitation context, much as Bush v. Gore has been treated as a ticket good for this train only.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1384&quot;&gt;PaulAlanLevy&lt;/a&gt;.

IMO, #6 shouldn&#039;t survive Iqbal (if it were in federal court) because it&#039;s a generic recitation without any factual support. If the #6 pleading works, then every plaintiff can and will easily plead around a Section 230 MTD by making the same generic recitation. Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1384">PaulAlanLevy</a>.</p>
<p>IMO, #6 shouldn&#8217;t survive Iqbal (if it were in federal court) because it&#8217;s a generic recitation without any factual support. If the #6 pleading works, then every plaintiff can and will easily plead around a Section 230 MTD by making the same generic recitation. Eric.</p>
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		By: curtisneeley		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1386</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2015 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Any website allowing anonymous people to broadcast unsafe {illegal} messages to the public are violators of criminal law(s). {18 USC 1464, ?}  These are exempt from the BOZO-like communications statute {47 USC 230} written during the last millennium.

The BOZO statute {230} might have been OK in the earlier decades &quot;online&quot;. The outrageous BOZO permission-slip for communicating about misbehavior {230} does not survive the &quot;&lt;i&gt;straight face&lt;/i&gt;&quot; test.  &quot;&lt;i&gt;Pleading standards forum shopping&lt;/i&gt;&quot; implies geezers protecting online porn till death, retirement or impeachment.

The politician who would fix the dishonorable U.S. judicial system and restore honorable democracy to the U.S. would have been born in 1975 but was NOT born because &lt;i&gt;Roe v Wade&lt;/i&gt; did not allow protecting the human heartbeat.  Her heartbeat was never heard.

Outrageous misbehavior encouraging {230} does not survive the &quot;&lt;i&gt;straight face&lt;/i&gt;&quot; test and has not for decades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any website allowing anonymous people to broadcast unsafe {illegal} messages to the public are violators of criminal law(s). {18 USC 1464, ?}  These are exempt from the BOZO-like communications statute {47 USC 230} written during the last millennium.</p>
<p>The BOZO statute {230} might have been OK in the earlier decades &#8220;online&#8221;. The outrageous BOZO permission-slip for communicating about misbehavior {230} does not survive the &#8220;<i>straight face</i>&#8221; test.  &#8220;<i>Pleading standards forum shopping</i>&#8221; implies geezers protecting online porn till death, retirement or impeachment.</p>
<p>The politician who would fix the dishonorable U.S. judicial system and restore honorable democracy to the U.S. would have been born in 1975 but was NOT born because <i>Roe v Wade</i> did not allow protecting the human heartbeat.  Her heartbeat was never heard.</p>
<p>Outrageous misbehavior encouraging {230} does not survive the &#8220;<i>straight face</i>&#8221; test and has not for decades.</p>
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		By: curtisneeley		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2015/09/backpage-gets-bummer-section-230-ruling-in-washington-supreme-court-j-s-v-village-voice.htm#comment-1385</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2015 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This ruling erodes exactly the intent of 230.  Section 230 was for creating a new medium for pornography and other types of sexual communications.  Section 230 intended to keep the most obscene and indecent or profane communications close to our children and judges.  Most people in the U.S. are addicted to pornography and other types of sexual communications or are addicted to the moral superiority felt when comparing personal morals to most others.

Section 230 was for protecting anyone offering a venue online for the most obscene, indecent, or profane communications unable to be done in any other public broadcast medium.  The &quot;&lt;i&gt;wholly new medium&lt;/i&gt;&quot; mistake of &lt;i&gt;Reno v ACLU&lt;/i&gt; was overruled by the FCC in response to citizen comments and other litigation.

Section 230 intended to utterly protect free speech and create a new medium for pornography and other communications seen in graffiti or communication venues unknown authors used to broadcast communications to the public with absolutely no concern about the legality of content being broadcast.

The wild, wild unregulated &quot;&lt;i&gt;wholly new medium&lt;/i&gt;&quot; mistake of &lt;i&gt;Reno v ACLU&lt;/i&gt; no longer exists or was realized as never existing. The resulting cultural correction motivated by declaring wires a Title II common carrier will take decades to be felt in the U.S.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ruling erodes exactly the intent of 230.  Section 230 was for creating a new medium for pornography and other types of sexual communications.  Section 230 intended to keep the most obscene and indecent or profane communications close to our children and judges.  Most people in the U.S. are addicted to pornography and other types of sexual communications or are addicted to the moral superiority felt when comparing personal morals to most others.</p>
<p>Section 230 was for protecting anyone offering a venue online for the most obscene, indecent, or profane communications unable to be done in any other public broadcast medium.  The &#8220;<i>wholly new medium</i>&#8221; mistake of <i>Reno v ACLU</i> was overruled by the FCC in response to citizen comments and other litigation.</p>
<p>Section 230 intended to utterly protect free speech and create a new medium for pornography and other communications seen in graffiti or communication venues unknown authors used to broadcast communications to the public with absolutely no concern about the legality of content being broadcast.</p>
<p>The wild, wild unregulated &#8220;<i>wholly new medium</i>&#8221; mistake of <i>Reno v ACLU</i> no longer exists or was realized as never existing. The resulting cultural correction motivated by declaring wires a Title II common carrier will take decades to be felt in the U.S.</p>
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		By: PaulAlanLevy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PaulAlanLevy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2015 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, I see item 6 as the key allegation that would, to my mind, get the complaint past section 230 under a Conley v. Gibson pleading standard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I see item 6 as the key allegation that would, to my mind, get the complaint past section 230 under a Conley v. Gibson pleading standard.</p>
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