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		By: Technology &#38; Marketing Law Blog		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-513</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;My Wikipedia Page is Safe (For Now...)&lt;/strong&gt;

By Eric Goldman In my last post on Wikipedia, I mentioned that my personal Wikipedia page had been tagged &quot;article...

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>My Wikipedia Page is Safe (For Now&#8230;)</strong></p>
<p>By Eric Goldman In my last post on Wikipedia, I mentioned that my personal Wikipedia page had been tagged &#8220;article&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tom Radulovich		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-511</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric,

I think your understanding of wikipedia&#039;s prospects is dependent upon on your theory of human motivation; contributors receive money or esteem they will lose interest. Fortunately not everyone is motivated by money and esteem; other motivations may account for the dedication some wikipedia contributors show towards the project. Wikipedia is a great outlet for folks who love to create order and to organize things. There are Wikipedians who, for example, spend hours fixing grammar and spelling errors; such habits might be annoying in a co-worker or spouse, but are very useful to the wikipedia project.

Also, one of the best ways to learn about a topic is to write about it, so contributing to Wikipedia is a great way to advance one&#039;s own learning -- and has a greater chance of actually being read by someone than most school papers. Lastly, at least some people are convinced that human society advances by non-zero-sum interactions between people, and act upon that conviction; projects like Wikipedia may advance the human prospect in ways that linkspamming or blogging never will.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I think your understanding of wikipedia&#8217;s prospects is dependent upon on your theory of human motivation; contributors receive money or esteem they will lose interest. Fortunately not everyone is motivated by money and esteem; other motivations may account for the dedication some wikipedia contributors show towards the project. Wikipedia is a great outlet for folks who love to create order and to organize things. There are Wikipedians who, for example, spend hours fixing grammar and spelling errors; such habits might be annoying in a co-worker or spouse, but are very useful to the wikipedia project.</p>
<p>Also, one of the best ways to learn about a topic is to write about it, so contributing to Wikipedia is a great way to advance one&#8217;s own learning &#8212; and has a greater chance of actually being read by someone than most school papers. Lastly, at least some people are convinced that human society advances by non-zero-sum interactions between people, and act upon that conviction; projects like Wikipedia may advance the human prospect in ways that linkspamming or blogging never will.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-512</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom, thanks for the great comments.  Sorry if I didn&#039;t my point clear.  I know that some people are motivated by reasons beyond fame and fortune.  You give some good examples of those motivations.  The Q is--how many people?  How long will they contribute in the face of competing demands for their time?  Can enough new replacements be found when the first wave burns out?

The people who &quot;love to create order and to organize things&quot; are exactly the people I think will check out first if the marketers succeed at creating chaos.  No point in rearranging the deck chairs if the ship looks like it is going down.

Eric.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks for the great comments.  Sorry if I didn&#8217;t my point clear.  I know that some people are motivated by reasons beyond fame and fortune.  You give some good examples of those motivations.  The Q is&#8211;how many people?  How long will they contribute in the face of competing demands for their time?  Can enough new replacements be found when the first wave burns out?</p>
<p>The people who &#8220;love to create order and to organize things&#8221; are exactly the people I think will check out first if the marketers succeed at creating chaos.  No point in rearranging the deck chairs if the ship looks like it is going down.</p>
<p>Eric.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-510</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WilloW, it&#039;s a fair request, because it prevents arbitrary designations of success/failure in 2010.  However, I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s a single quantitative metric that works here.

One scenario is that Wikipedia remains a strong and vibrant community but only by eliminating open access elements.  This might be measured by diversity/concentration of contributors, but it&#039;s really a policy analysis.

Another scenario is that Wikipedia is overrun by spam and no one is there to fight it.  This might be measured by article creation, although the spammers may be in control of that metric.  It could be measured by usage statistics (page views, visitors, etc.) although these may be a lagging indicator as Wikipedia has great PR and lots of inbound links.  Ultimately, the best metric is the &quot;buzz&quot; factor--are people still talking about Wikipedia as a useful resource, or have they moved on to the next great content delivery platform.

Eric.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WilloW, it&#8217;s a fair request, because it prevents arbitrary designations of success/failure in 2010.  However, I&#8217;m not sure there&#8217;s a single quantitative metric that works here.</p>
<p>One scenario is that Wikipedia remains a strong and vibrant community but only by eliminating open access elements.  This might be measured by diversity/concentration of contributors, but it&#8217;s really a policy analysis.</p>
<p>Another scenario is that Wikipedia is overrun by spam and no one is there to fight it.  This might be measured by article creation, although the spammers may be in control of that metric.  It could be measured by usage statistics (page views, visitors, etc.) although these may be a lagging indicator as Wikipedia has great PR and lots of inbound links.  Ultimately, the best metric is the &#8220;buzz&#8221; factor&#8211;are people still talking about Wikipedia as a useful resource, or have they moved on to the next great content delivery platform.</p>
<p>Eric.</p>
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		By: WilloW		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-509</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WilloW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Eric,

Thank you for your thought-provoking essay and bold prediction.  To help in assessing your prediction over the years, could you give us a quantitative definition of Wikipedia&#039;s failure?

For example, maybe you could post a graph projecting the number of articles added to Wikipedia every month for the years 2007-2010?  That way, we could monitor how your predicted graph diverges (or not) from the actual graph as those numbers appear.

I understand that you&#039;re concerned about the quality of the Wikipedia articles.  Perhaps you could also make a graph predicting the number of Wikipedia Featured Articles added every month?

Thanks!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>Thank you for your thought-provoking essay and bold prediction.  To help in assessing your prediction over the years, could you give us a quantitative definition of Wikipedia&#8217;s failure?</p>
<p>For example, maybe you could post a graph projecting the number of articles added to Wikipedia every month for the years 2007-2010?  That way, we could monitor how your predicted graph diverges (or not) from the actual graph as those numbers appear.</p>
<p>I understand that you&#8217;re concerned about the quality of the Wikipedia articles.  Perhaps you could also make a graph predicting the number of Wikipedia Featured Articles added every month?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-508</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jessy, thanks for the comment.  If I get overrun with comment spam, I can just shut down comments.  I&#039;d prefer not to, but this would not be a big change to my blog.  Wikipedia, on the other hand, changes its nature each time it raises the bar for user submissions.

You also raise an interesting point about specialized wikis.  Don&#039;t they represent a threat to the mass-market Wikipedia?  In other words, as power Wikipedians divert their attention to the specialized wikis, this reduces the attention paid to the main site.

Gabriel, I&#039;m not a Wikipedia editor.  Of course, given my points about incentives, I trust that&#039;s not surprising!

Eric.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessy, thanks for the comment.  If I get overrun with comment spam, I can just shut down comments.  I&#8217;d prefer not to, but this would not be a big change to my blog.  Wikipedia, on the other hand, changes its nature each time it raises the bar for user submissions.</p>
<p>You also raise an interesting point about specialized wikis.  Don&#8217;t they represent a threat to the mass-market Wikipedia?  In other words, as power Wikipedians divert their attention to the specialized wikis, this reduces the attention paid to the main site.</p>
<p>Gabriel, I&#8217;m not a Wikipedia editor.  Of course, given my points about incentives, I trust that&#8217;s not surprising!</p>
<p>Eric.</p>
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		By: Gabriel		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-507</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabriel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just curious, are you an editor on Wikipedia? I don&#039;t mean have you made a couple changes here and there, I mean, have you created articles, done some &quot;janitor work&quot;, or participated in article-related discussions? Just wondering. :)

Have a nice day.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, are you an editor on Wikipedia? I don&#8217;t mean have you made a couple changes here and there, I mean, have you created articles, done some &#8220;janitor work&#8221;, or participated in article-related discussions? Just wondering. 🙂</p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>
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		By: Jessy Scholl		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-506</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessy Scholl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, your blog is more likely to be spammed by marketers before Wikipedia is spammed to death.  There will be the creation of text boxes on Wikipedia before the end of 2007 and that will stop all spamming.  Also, the Wikipedia community is expanding faster than you speak with more specialized Wiki&#039;s including one posted as my URL as a settlement between Wikipedia and The Colbert Report.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, your blog is more likely to be spammed by marketers before Wikipedia is spammed to death.  There will be the creation of text boxes on Wikipedia before the end of 2007 and that will stop all spamming.  Also, the Wikipedia community is expanding faster than you speak with more specialized Wiki&#8217;s including one posted as my URL as a settlement between Wikipedia and The Colbert Report.</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-505</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Goldman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Observer, funny comment!  I tend to be fairly tolerant of promotional posts--just a choice I&#039;ve made.

Marc, thanks for the comments.  I disagree with #2.  Marketers will gather where ever consumers are paying attention, even if the promotion is off-topic.  So as Wikipedia&#039;s success grows, the marketer interest will too.

I&#039;m interested in your #3-4--what kind of blowback do you contemplate?  Note that some blowback might create some legal risks for the blowbackers.

WRT #5-6, Wikipedia may already have some legal protection from automated attacks (common law trespass to chattels, the Computer Fraud &amp; Abuse Act, etc.).  But I don&#039;t know how we could regulate the *substance* of contributions.  Ultimately, I think that job falls on Wikipedia&#039;s editors.

Eric.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, funny comment!  I tend to be fairly tolerant of promotional posts&#8211;just a choice I&#8217;ve made.</p>
<p>Marc, thanks for the comments.  I disagree with #2.  Marketers will gather where ever consumers are paying attention, even if the promotion is off-topic.  So as Wikipedia&#8217;s success grows, the marketer interest will too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in your #3-4&#8211;what kind of blowback do you contemplate?  Note that some blowback might create some legal risks for the blowbackers.</p>
<p>WRT #5-6, Wikipedia may already have some legal protection from automated attacks (common law trespass to chattels, the Computer Fraud &#038; Abuse Act, etc.).  But I don&#8217;t know how we could regulate the *substance* of contributions.  Ultimately, I think that job falls on Wikipedia&#8217;s editors.</p>
<p>Eric.</p>
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		By: Gregory Kohs		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm#comment-503</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregory Kohs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, I believe the future of commercial exploitation (and I don&#039;t mean that in the pejorative sense) of the MediaWiki architecture is with something like Centiare.com.

At Centiare, businesses and individuals will be encouraged to &quot;take ownership&quot; of their own articles (with protected status of these Directory pages), write from an &quot;advocate point of view&quot;, and maximize the features of semantic tagging.  Sorry to sound like an evangelist, but it&#039;s everything that Wikipedia would offer free enterprise, if only Wikipedia were pro-business.

You may be right that Wikipedia will become a domain only of reliable Pokemon, Star Trek, and pornstar fan-cruft, and not much else.  At least businesses will have another option with Centiare.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I believe the future of commercial exploitation (and I don&#8217;t mean that in the pejorative sense) of the MediaWiki architecture is with something like Centiare.com.</p>
<p>At Centiare, businesses and individuals will be encouraged to &#8220;take ownership&#8221; of their own articles (with protected status of these Directory pages), write from an &#8220;advocate point of view&#8221;, and maximize the features of semantic tagging.  Sorry to sound like an evangelist, but it&#8217;s everything that Wikipedia would offer free enterprise, if only Wikipedia were pro-business.</p>
<p>You may be right that Wikipedia will become a domain only of reliable Pokemon, Star Trek, and pornstar fan-cruft, and not much else.  At least businesses will have another option with Centiare.</p>
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