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	Comments on: Click Fraud Lawsuit&#8211;Click Defense v. Google	</title>
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		By: Tech Law Advisor		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2005/07/click_fraud_law.htm#comment-92</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Belly Up: 5 Posts&lt;/strong&gt;

5 posts I enjoyed from last week in no particular order: Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? by rethink(ip) Wife Humor By Brad Parker Sandra Day O&#039;Connor By William Patry Click...

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<p>5 posts I enjoyed from last week in no particular order: Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? by rethink(ip) Wife Humor By Brad Parker Sandra Day O&#8217;Connor By William Patry Click&#8230;</p>
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		By: Aaron		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2005/07/click_fraud_law.htm#comment-89</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Click fraud takes multiple forms, including competitors clicking each other&#039;s ads to drive down their advertising budgets (and perhaps exhaust a competitor&#039;s daily, weekly, or monthly budget, such that their ads no longer appear), and the type of automated click fraud to which jeff alluded (which may involve a very sophisticated program which automatically distributes clicks through thousands of proxies, or the triggering of software embedded by virus/worm in thousands of computers throughout the world).

What I find most interesting about this lawsuit is that the Plaintiff (http://www.clickdefense.com/) describes itself as &quot;The leading ad tracking, optimization and click fraud detection company&quot;. That is, they claim to be victimized by the type of activity they &quot;lead&quot; in detecting. I am left wondering if the lawsuit is more about generating publicity than it is about obtaining an award of damages. (&quot;The complaint alludes to some duties (Paras. 31-33) that Google should track click fraud, warn advertisers about click fraud, and notify advertisers after click fraud occurs. - perhaps they want Google to buy them, because one would think that these are services they offer.)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click fraud takes multiple forms, including competitors clicking each other&#8217;s ads to drive down their advertising budgets (and perhaps exhaust a competitor&#8217;s daily, weekly, or monthly budget, such that their ads no longer appear), and the type of automated click fraud to which jeff alluded (which may involve a very sophisticated program which automatically distributes clicks through thousands of proxies, or the triggering of software embedded by virus/worm in thousands of computers throughout the world).</p>
<p>What I find most interesting about this lawsuit is that the Plaintiff (<a href="http://www.clickdefense.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.clickdefense.com/</a>) describes itself as &#8220;The leading ad tracking, optimization and click fraud detection company&#8221;. That is, they claim to be victimized by the type of activity they &#8220;lead&#8221; in detecting. I am left wondering if the lawsuit is more about generating publicity than it is about obtaining an award of damages. (&#8220;The complaint alludes to some duties (Paras. 31-33) that Google should track click fraud, warn advertisers about click fraud, and notify advertisers after click fraud occurs. &#8211; perhaps they want Google to buy them, because one would think that these are services they offer.)</p>
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		By: Eric Goldman		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2005/07/click_fraud_law.htm#comment-88</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note that I didn&#039;t offer my own definition of click fraud; I was happy to work with the definition offered by the plaintiffs.  The short answer to your final question is no.  Under the plaintiff&#039;s definition, the plaintiffs expect Google to divine intent, and Google gets the same information from a click regardless of whether the click is made manually or via a robot.  Eric.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that I didn&#8217;t offer my own definition of click fraud; I was happy to work with the definition offered by the plaintiffs.  The short answer to your final question is no.  Under the plaintiff&#8217;s definition, the plaintiffs expect Google to divine intent, and Google gets the same information from a click regardless of whether the click is made manually or via a robot.  Eric.</p>
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		By: John Battelle's Searchblog		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2005/07/click_fraud_law.htm#comment-91</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 11:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Lots to Catch Up On&lt;/strong&gt;

Google eyes Baidu....I got a call on this, and honestly have no idea if this is true. But you&#039;ve been reading my opining on China and Google for some time now. Google Toolbar for Firefox coming. Cnet has the scoop. SEW finds an interesting study which...

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lots to Catch Up On</strong></p>
<p>Google eyes Baidu&#8230;.I got a call on this, and honestly have no idea if this is true. But you&#8217;ve been reading my opining on China and Google for some time now. Google Toolbar for Firefox coming. Cnet has the scoop. SEW finds an interesting study which&#8230;</p>
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		By: jeff		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2005/07/click_fraud_law.htm#comment-87</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where does robotic activity fit into your definition of click fraud?  Its not clear to me that manual clicking can reach high enough numbers to be a major problem, since the &quot;cheater&quot; would have to shuffle IP addresses at the very least.  However, putting some trojan-compromised drones to work could generate significant revenue (or drain on your competitor); sort of a distributed denial of service attack in slow motion.

I would expect that this is already being done - look at the energy spent generating comment and wiki spam and click fraud would seem to generate a more certain and larger payday.

Does your analysis of the complaint change if automated click fraud is alleged?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where does robotic activity fit into your definition of click fraud?  Its not clear to me that manual clicking can reach high enough numbers to be a major problem, since the &#8220;cheater&#8221; would have to shuffle IP addresses at the very least.  However, putting some trojan-compromised drones to work could generate significant revenue (or drain on your competitor); sort of a distributed denial of service attack in slow motion.</p>
<p>I would expect that this is already being done &#8211; look at the energy spent generating comment and wiki spam and click fraud would seem to generate a more certain and larger payday.</p>
<p>Does your analysis of the complaint change if automated click fraud is alleged?</p>
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		By: The Importance of...		</title>
		<link>https://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2005/07/click_fraud_law.htm#comment-90</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Goldman on Click Fraud&lt;/strong&gt;

Another great post from Eric Goldman, this time on a &quot;click fraud&quot; lawsuit against Google (Click Fraud Lawsuit--Click Defense v. Google).I vacillate between two competing perceptions about click fraud lawsuits. Sometimes I think that Google deserves so...

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<p>Another great post from Eric Goldman, this time on a &#8220;click fraud&#8221; lawsuit against Google (Click Fraud Lawsuit&#8211;Click Defense v. Google).I vacillate between two competing perceptions about click fraud lawsuits. Sometimes I think that Google deserves so&#8230;</p>
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